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Once you've put up a final full-length release on-line, if anyone actually likes it and wants it they'll be pressing play. So if you are happy to give it all away, go ahead. Put out your final release version of every track and people everywhere will have your album. But don't expect to sell any copies as CD's in HMV because who's gonna pay for something they already have Nigel?
Correction. That should have been they'll be pressing play and record
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Good post...you are right on on the posting of 'rough' tunes, you can;t do it and hope that people will listen sympathetically. There are no sympathetic ears either in the industry or amongst listeners...cynic? me? hahaha

Good song btw....which destival you going to be at?
Wrong. There are loads of independents and breaking artists that have loaded up demo's and pre-release recordings that have resulted in thousands of plays. I can think of 10 artists off the top of my head and if I added up their plays over just the last 6 months the figure would break the 100,000 mark easily and that's fact not an opinion.
fair point Karlos. I'm not sure what 'the' answer is but its certainly been a good way for me to further things and get some more of a profile going, a loss-leader if you like. as the saying goes theres more than one way to skin a cat. nige
misunerstood what i was saying. a good song is a good song rough or otherwise. my point was people who post rough songs that are in fact just bad songs and try and excuse it being a bad song by blaming the recording quality. Hence you cant draw sympathy for a bad song by blaming recording quality

Out of interest where have these demos etc been loaded up onto that have done well?

Cheers!

Cheers Deodates! The festival is in Ireland its called Castlepalooza www.castlepalooza.com so should be good. Nige

Nice one....have a good one mate!
On the general subject of demos yes quality needs to be of a good standard. I don't believe they have to be final mixes because that's too risky because people will record streams and never buy, especially when most the world seems to be way short of pocket money as is now, that's why submitting a CD to a label was far better than doing it on-line. Some artists have no cash to get a decent recording together and load dodgy production in the hope some a&r dude will love their voice and hook them up to a decent studio with all mod cons and that's got to be appreciated, not everyone has the funds to buy their own gear but YES the more you do the better chance you get of a decent reaction.

Like Nigel stated there is no right answer and no rules here. Get a good recording but don't load the full version is one way, that's why iTunes and beatport do the 30 second previews to stop everyone recording the stream and ruining their profits. Or load edits instead the full tracks. The last thing an artist should do is load up CD quality recordings of the entire album and ask, what do you think to the world because those that like will just recorded it and keep quiet and those that don't like it will remain silent or bitch about it. Either way, the artist has little or no feedback and ruined their own sales. Loading demos and edits to places like vox is OK because it's that kind of scene, it's more a testing ground and labels here really see this as a marketing test base more than anything else from what I can deduce, it's more a focus group that's free and on-line. If you are going to MySpace and YouTube then you need quality stuff because once you hit those high traffic places then that can make or break you. Those kind of sites have 20 times more page hits than somewhere like Vox or Reverb Nation and if you switch that many people off with dodgy production quality, that's damage that will be hard to repair. If artists are going on-sale you have no option but to make sure you have CD quality recordings available to download or you don't stand a chance but even then it is wise to protect the ful versions. Give 2 minute previews maybe from the middle like Beaport because they are better than the 30 second intro which is a waste of time on most recordings. House music has 3 minute percussive intro's so 1000 tracks all sound the same if all you have is a 4 to the floor drum beat to decide on. Pop music is a little easier for previews because they are normally straight in with a bang on bar 5. As for where are these plays are going on that I mentioned, places like Last.FM, Reverb Nation, Imeem and Vox give good indication of plays. Reverb Nations media player gives the best stats to track plays and can be used as an embed here at Vox.
thanks Karlos, some food for thought, nige
Sorry it was long. Good to know you have not split up again or broken down.
nah still here! just been doing some thinking and working at getting gigs and other stuff thats not playing or making the music

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